I wasn't even affected but this made me mad.

"Rainbow" (rainbeaux)
08/15/2017 at 21:26 • Filed to: None

I’ve been stuck behind some of these morons before. This case was especially cringeworthy because the neighborhood was apparently big enough to require three buses back to back, and unloading them took at least 5 full minutes.

DISCUSSION (19)

Phyrxes once again has a wagon! > Rainbow
08/15/2017 at 21:31

Ah first day of school for your area too? I think the first school district to start around here goes back tomorrow.

ttyymmnn > Rainbow
08/15/2017 at 21:32

So the idiots are idiots for refusing to pass the bus even though there is a median? With the assholery that’s been going on in Austin regarding school buses and failure to stop, I’ll allow it.

TylerLinner > Rainbow
08/15/2017 at 21:36

I was expecting a spectacular idiot-caused dashcam video. Are you really upset about schoolbus safety?

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > ttyymmnn
08/15/2017 at 21:43

Yea, you still need to stop for the bus even if there is a median. The bus may still be dropping off students who need to cross the road.

jvirgs drives a Subaru > Rainbow
08/15/2017 at 21:46

That shit pisses me off. Its amazing how many people are oblivious to the driving laws......... And don’t even get me started on those who have no fucking clue what to do at a traffic light that is completely out vs just flashing.........

Rainbow > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
08/15/2017 at 21:55

Not true in most states. You don’t stop if there’s a median.

Rainbow > Phyrxes once again has a wagon!
08/15/2017 at 21:56

Actually, my area started on the 31st of last month. It’s insane.

Rainbow > TylerLinner
08/15/2017 at 21:57

You’re not supposed to stop if you’re separated from the bus by a median.

Phyrxes once again has a wagon! > Rainbow
08/15/2017 at 21:57

Damn, when do they get out for the year? Around here starting nowish puts the school year over around the first or second week in June.

Urambo Tauro > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
08/15/2017 at 21:59

you still need to stop for the bus even if there is a median.

Not in Michigan. If there is any sort of physical barrier or median separating roadways, then oncoming traffic does not have to stop. The bus can only stop traffic on its own side of said barrier. If there is no barrier, then yes, both directions of traffic must stop.

ttyymmnn > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
08/15/2017 at 22:01

Others have said the same, but, depending on the state, there is no requirement to stop on a street divided by a physical median. The same goes for emergency vehicles. No need to pull over with a physical median.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Rainbow
08/15/2017 at 22:05

That’s different than up in my neck of the woods. Anyway the median appears to start after the bus.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Urambo Tauro
08/15/2017 at 22:13

In driving school I was told that if you could walk across the street you need to stop for buses. You stop at a grass or concrete median but don’t need to when there is armco or something else to climb over. Anyway, in this photo the bus is not past the start of the median so you need to stop even by Michigan law.

Rainbow > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
08/15/2017 at 22:15

It’s hard to see, but it was past the start of the median. You can see some of the cars on my side are waiting past the sign.

facw > ttyymmnn
08/15/2017 at 22:21

Yep, it can vary by state, but in TX:

Sec. 545.066. PASSING A SCHOOL BUS; OFFENSE.

(a) An operator on a highway, when approaching from either direction a school bus stopped on the highway to receive or discharge a student:

(1) shall stop before reaching the school bus when the bus is operating a visual signal as required by Section 547.701; and

(2) may not proceed until:

(A) the school bus resumes motion;

(B) the operator is signaled by the bus driver to proceed; or

(b) An operator on a highway having separate roadways is not required to stop:

(1) for a school bus that is on a different roadway; or

(2) if on a controlled-access highway, for a school bus that is stopped:

(A) in a loading zone that is a part of or adjacent to the highway; and

(B) where pedestrians are not permitted to cross the roadway.

(c) An offense under this section is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not less than $500 or more than $1,250, except that the offense is:

(1) a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not less than $1,000 or more than $2,000 if the person is convicted of a second or subsequent offense under this section committed within five years of the date on which the most recent preceding offense was committed;

(2) a Class A misdemeanor if the person causes serious bodily injury to another; or

(3) a state jail felony if the person has been previously convicted under Subdivision (2).

(d) The court may order that the driver’s license of a person convicted of a second or subsequent offense under this section be suspended for not longer than six months beginning on the date of conviction. In this subsection, “driver’s license” has the meaning assigned by Chapter 521.

(e) If a person does not pay the previously assessed fine or costs on a conviction under this section, or is determined by the court to have insufficient resources or income to pay a fine or costs on a conviction under this section, the court may order the person to perform community service. The court shall set the number of hours of service under this subsection.

(f) For the purposes of this section:

(1) a highway is considered to have separate roadways only if the highway has roadways separated by an intervening space on which operation of vehicles is not permitted, a physical barrier, or a clearly indicated dividing section constructed to impede vehicular traffic; and

(2) a highway is not considered to have separate roadways if the highway has roadways separated only by a left turn lane.

So you are fine if there is a median but not a left turn lane.

Of course I don’t know where the above picture was taken, but given that the median has not started where the bus is stopped, I think under Texas law, the cars are required to stop.

Urambo Tauro > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
08/15/2017 at 22:21

It doesn’t have to be a wide, grassy median. That curb in the middle is enough to qualify, because the state of Michigan is looking for any sort of feature that will physically “impede vehicular traffic”. In this case it’s a “dividing section”, that’s more substantial than mere lane-marking paint.

TylerLinner > Rainbow
08/15/2017 at 23:15

Better safe than killing someone’s kid.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > TylerLinner
08/16/2017 at 00:12

He’s actually right. If there’s a median and it’s on a big highway, you are specifically supposed to keep going.

TylerLinner > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/16/2017 at 00:29

That’s fine. I guess it’s really hard to see in the picture, and if people are unsure I’d rather have them stop than hit a kid. It’s better than people trying to concede right of way at intersections when they have no stop sign, which is extremely irritating to me.